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Post by lumineaux on Oct 12, 2015 3:38:37 GMT
Or, you know, Gears, Queers, + Klokateers.
Making this thread here so we can give the poor fanart thread a break, LOL.
There are TONS of hints and directions I've considered for how the final chapter will end, but the more I watch the series, the more I think Salacia might, in some fashion or another, be Nathan. (I still haven't worked out the details, I just have a *feeling*.)
Have at it, mateys!
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Post by lumineaux on Oct 12, 2015 3:43:03 GMT
Oh oh, my favorite head!canon (which will probably get worked into fic at some point) is that CFO voices Facebones. I like to think it's his outlet to bitch about the boys (NOT LIKE SOOOOOME DRUMMERRRS) and probably originated from making fun of Dick Knubbler.
G'bye, fuck-o's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by whoamsthere on Oct 12, 2015 3:49:41 GMT
^ Holy crap! I have always tried to explain to people that Charles is Facebones. Glad you see that too! I mean, he obviously makes the Facebones vidoes and like.... Of course he'd be the voice. Sometimes, especially in the first season, Charles sometimes sounds like he's using his Facebones voice. Wonder if they thought that through or what?
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Post by lumineaux on Oct 12, 2015 4:05:43 GMT
^ Holy crap! I have always tried to explain to people that Charles is Facebones. Glad you see that too! I mean, he obviously makes the Facebones vidoes and like.... Of course he'd be the voice. Sometimes, especially in the first season, Charles sometimes sounds like he's using his Facebones voice. Wonder if they thought that through or what? I haven't caught much in the source material to confirm, but definitely in Dethsources when his voice breaks announcing the raffle, there's grounds for it. (Of course, Brendon voices both, so, there's that.) BUT STILL!!!
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Post by ThatBrutalGuy on Oct 12, 2015 4:47:49 GMT
!!! I've never thought of that HEADCANON before!! CFO as Facebones accepted. id like to think that he has a sense of secret satisfaction every time he has to show one of those videos, knowing that he was that awful voice, HA.
I also 100% believe he's gay. I dunno why I strikes me as so apparent, but it does. There is just something so secretive and professional about him-- someone who keeps his personal life and business life entirely separate. It's something I could totally see an older closeted dude doing? And it makes me happy to think that he's ~one of us,~ lmaooo.
What about you guys? Have any queer head canons for these awful men? >;33.
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Post by lumineaux on Oct 12, 2015 4:55:30 GMT
Oh hells yeah! From Murdering Outside the Box, we know he was in college in 1985, so it makes sense that if he were queer, he'd have come up in an era where even the open do not exactly advertise. (I was raised by an older generation of queer men, and can't be more thankful for the insights provided from them.) His no-funny-business attitude leaves everything open to interpretation, but, as I've said before, I prefer to see him as a queer badass, cuz there aren't nearly as many on screen as there are in real life and that needs fixing.
As far as the other boys, Skwisgaar is just a man-whore, and Toki seems to be the type to love any- and everyone. Also, Pickles was a hair-metal-hero, and it's not gay if you were ridin' that white horse at the time.
I'll reiterate, I like that the gay jokes rib at pretty normal sexual exploration and variance, and are your run o' the mill guy jokes. I doubt we'll ever see anything canon, but hey, it's nice that there is some decent and plausible elbow room in the source material.
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Post by whoamsthere on Oct 12, 2015 5:10:09 GMT
Completely agree about Charles. That makes perfect sense and just makes me love him all the more.
Personally, I don't think any of the boys are perfectly straight. I mean, what's up with the "no clothes in the hot tub rule"? Sounds like my kind of place! ;D
Also: Watching Pickles and Nathan interact... I'm just like "yep, they're doing it". Lol It's very subtle but you can pick up on it- this is actually one of the headcannons I've got all my friends to immediately agree on! Hah. Maybe it's just their place in the band, but they just kinda have an ol' married couple vibe.
Oh, and how can I not mention my favorite headcannon: Pickles being a transman is totally the fucking coolest concept. Read a theory on this awhile back and was ecstatic
It is nice to see queer folks on tv to relate with- even if it's mostly vague and up to us fans.
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Post by lumineaux on Oct 12, 2015 5:29:37 GMT
Completely agree about Charles. That makes perfect sense and just makes me love him all the more. Personally, I don't think any of the boys are perfectly straight. I mean, what's up with the "no clothes in the hot tub rule"? Sounds like my kind of place! ;D Also: Watching Pickles and Nathan interact... I'm just like "yep, they're doing it". Lol It's very subtle but you can pick up on it- this is actually one of the headcannons I've got all my friends to immediately agree on! Hah. Maybe it's just their place in the band, but they just kinda have an ol' married couple vibe. Oh, and how can I not mention my favorite headcannon: Pickles being a transman is totally the fucking coolest concept. Read a theory on this awhile back and was ecstatic It is nice to see queer folks on tv to relate with- even if it's mostly vague and up to us fans. I personally think Nathan's the only "straight arrow" of the band, but I deeeeeefinitely get why so many people ship him with Pickles. I mean, they are basically the parents of the band. I only recently encountered the trans!Pickles theory, and I'm starting to see it, I like it. (It also salves my Nathan-is-straight radar with the Pickles/Nathan popularity. Certainly not that genitalia is hard designation for sexuality, but you get what I'm saying.) Especially as a transperson, I can dig it, for sure. (I think that's what the haters fail to see about shipping and fan theories is that it's a chance for us to find some representation and something to relate more closely to that we really just do NOT get enough of in media. Even the queer characters that are on TV are not always what I'd consider representative, or are blatant stereotypes and barely two-dimensional. (Though I have always been a Brian Kinney fanboy to my core; that's the kind of queer men I grew up with. Not gay as in happy, but queer as in fuck you. I came out in 2000, just as it was just getting a litter easier, but still at a time when being openly queer meant you also needed to be willing to break a beer bottle over someone's head if you had to.)) (I also really like the theory I read a while back that for straight women, shipping two men is a chance to fantasize about relationships with actual equality in them, rather than ones restricted by socially enforced gender roles. Even the most progressive straight couples I know still find themselves falling into the same-ol'-same-ol' routine with most things as time goes by.) (I enjoy parentheticals.) I've been out of the loop for a looooong time and coming back to the metal scene now after a few years, it's reeeeeeally good to see things changing. Finally, it's metal to shun (and/or beat the shit out of) homophobes. (Because if your "opinion" perpetuates violence and discrimination towards people, I'm not going to respect it or you. Period.) SCORE!
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Post by whoamsthere on Oct 12, 2015 6:33:49 GMT
Dude, you totally get what shipping is all about! Just hearing eachother out and chit chatting. We all just wanna have a connection to these characters. I definitely feel way more of a connection to men we (the fans) can assume are gay than most characters who are canonically gay (there are a few exceptions though, which rules). The media has a tendency to be kinda lazy with queer characters, for the most part. And hell! I can't think of any characters who are transgender. So, lets just keep believing Pickles is one badass depiction of a transman.
On a personal note, all my friends are metal heads and always have been. Most were pretty chill with my transition, but some of my older friends took some time. At shows, the only people who seem to have a problem with my gender/sexual orientation (I'm never sure what their problem is. Am I not passing or am I passing so well that the fact I'm hanging off another dude upset them? Eh, screw them) are older guys. Guys old enough to be my father. Everyone else minds their own damn business. And that's metal! *guitar riff* hahah! It's great to see all this postive change happening in our community
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Post by kitanya on Oct 12, 2015 8:17:20 GMT
Where final chapter theories are concerned, I think Murderface is going to get to finally have a chance to shine and be a true hero, once he can be snapped out of whatever it was that happened to him in the Depths of Humanity. Nathan will have to save Murderface from the poison he seems to have been given by the strange man in the Depths of Humanity (likely Salacia in disguise or controlling someone as he does with the General) by proving he meant what he said when he said he would risk his life for Murderface. This will snap Murderface out of his apparent mind control, and lead to him doing something that directly leads to Salacia being defeated once and for all.
Why do I feel so strongly that Murderface will be that important? In the images of the Prophecy that Charles and Ishnifus reveal, Murderface is in the center of the group. Off the top of my head, I can't think of any other time Murderface is ever shown to be in the center during anything vaguely important. It's always Nathan in the center, and usually Murderface being on one end or the other. But in the Prophecy painting, Murderface has been placed in Nathan's usual spot, while Nathan is on the far left side where Murderface is in the main group shot we see during the opening theme and such. It just feels to me like this was a very deliberate thing, and not just random placement by whoever was in charge of drawing that. Murderface is rarely if ever seen front and center, in the spotlight as it were, but yet in the Prophecy he's seen front and center. Exactly HOW he'll become so important, I don't know, but I think he's going to wind up being the most important member of the band when it comes to fulfilling the prophecy.
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Post by lumineaux on Oct 12, 2015 16:24:55 GMT
Where final chapter theories are concerned, I think Murderface is going to get to finally have a chance to shine and be a true hero, once he can be snapped out of whatever it was that happened to him in the Depths of Humanity. Nathan will have to save Murderface from the poison he seems to have been given by the strange man in the Depths of Humanity (likely Salacia in disguise or controlling someone as he does with the General) by proving he meant what he said when he said he would risk his life for Murderface. This will snap Murderface out of his apparent mind control, and lead to him doing something that directly leads to Salacia being defeated once and for all. Why do I feel so strongly that Murderface will be that important? In the images of the Prophecy that Charles and Ishnifus reveal, Murderface is in the center of the group. Off the top of my head, I can't think of any other time Murderface is ever shown to be in the center during anything vaguely important. It's always Nathan in the center, and usually Murderface being on one end or the other. But in the Prophecy painting, Murderface has been placed in Nathan's usual spot, while Nathan is on the far left side where Murderface is in the main group shot we see during the opening theme and such. It just feels to me like this was a very deliberate thing, and not just random placement by whoever was in charge of drawing that. Murderface is rarely if ever seen front and center, in the spotlight as it were, but yet in the Prophecy he's seen front and center. Exactly HOW he'll become so important, I don't know, but I think he's going to wind up being the most important member of the band when it comes to fulfilling the prophecy. Oh definitely! I don't think the "recovery helmet" in the Prophecy paintings is coincidence, either. I have a feeling the rise of HandsomeFace and Planet Piss will be a part of the final chapter, engineered by Salacia, of course, but Murderface will get his ass in gear and Hulk-smash a bitch. Something like that... Murderface reminds me a little too much of myself before I realized depression was ruling my every action, so I don't pay too close of attention to him, but I think you're right on the money with assuming he will be key to the ending. Personally, I'd like to see Murderface be the one to save the rest of the band and prove that a) he gives a shit, and b) he's capable. Not that he hasn't, after saving all those people, just doin' his job as fire chief, and being the life-saving cock-block for Nathan. But I sort of felt like that was one of the first hints of what was going on with the Traitor!Face story-line is how ready he was to dip on Toki, and specifically the "none of you would save me, why should I give a fuck?" I have admittedly read way too much into Doomstar, but I don't think the overarcing concepts of the Depths of Humanity and the whole "this is a den of resentment and jealousy, inside is all that you fear" is just a throw-away. We'll be seeing those themes again, for sure. (Another partial theory is that they each have to overcome the human/weak aspects of themselves to allow the Dethlights to come through. Letting go of their bullshit "we don't care about each other" business was obviously what triggered their first real appearance to kill the Assassin, but I'd love to watch that continue to happen, sort of like a "seal breaking" or what have you. That's why I love the "Well we'd rather burn in hell than let you takes ours" line, because it makes it absolutely apparent that they aren't saving Toki to save the band/record sales, they're saving Toki because he's part of their dumb, dysfunctional, fucked-up family.) One last thing, in regards to Murderface being in the center of the Dethlights, I don't know if it's significant, but I love the visual balance that in the reveal scene, while the other three are a little harder to pick out, I think they're all standing in front of themselves when they're looking at the Prophecy.
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Post by kitanya on Oct 12, 2015 21:16:06 GMT
With the Prophecy image, everyone is in their usual places except for Murderface and Nathan. The figure to the left of Murderface is obviously Skwisgaar, as it's the tallest. The one on the far right is most likely Toki, as it has a sword same as Skwisgaar, which means the one immediately right of Murderface is Pickles. Then Nathan on the far left. I'll have to pay more attetion next time I get around to that episode to see what order the guys are standing in as they look at it.
I hadn't paid quite enough attention to realize that Murderface's helmet in the Prophecy image looked just like his recovery helmet, though. I'm, going to be watching through the series a few times, so I'll have to see if I notice anything else that seems important along the way where Murderface is concerned. Murderface has had at least three "hero" moments in the series so far. He's the one that ultimately led to the giant troll's death, when he threw his phone and it went down the troll's throat. Then there's his cock block and his actions during the fire at Mordhous. Need to watch and see if he has any other moments like that. I also want to try and get a few screenshots of certain scenes where things zip by really quickly, to see if there's anything important looking in them.
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Post by lumineaux on Oct 12, 2015 21:42:38 GMT
Bigger-picture musings ahead:
Anybody ever seen The Princess and the Frog? The villain hoodoo-man is Dr. Facilier. Now, it's likely just a play on words with New Orlean's moniker, The Big Easy, as Facilier is "easier" is Latin. But it got me thinking that it's a really good indication to the nature of, hmmm... not "black" or "dark" magick, that kind of dichotomy is for myopic sheep, but, the left-handed path. Easy street. Root work. It gets shit done, it's practical. But it comes with a price. (And that much isn't missed in the Disney film, as Tiana is the opposite and believes that the only thing worth having in life is won through hard-work and determination.) There is a distinction between magick and spiritual practice and they do not always need each other (though I personally believe magick without spiritual context is meaningless) but you catch my drift. Now, THAT being said...
Especially with the song from Dethsiduals, (WHY CAN'T EVERYTHING BE EEEEEASSSYYYYYYYYYY~~~?) I definitely see Murderface trying to take the easy way out. Plastic surgery, pitch-modded vocals for Planet Piss, riding the coattails of his Dethklok success. It's easy, and hey, it even works, mostly because people *want* to be fooled. People are not hard to manipulate because most people don't want to know the truth, anyway. (Beautiful lie, terrible truth and all that.) But success without paying your dues always evens out in the end, somebody's gotta pay the bill before you leave the table. Even the section of Depths of Humanity:
Mr. Murderface, you're the only one we welcome here, You're not like the rest of them, you're better than the best of them I'm your biggest fan, I hope that's clear. (...sorry.) Planet Piss is my favorite band, I consider you a the king of this land, I hope you'll let me take your hand And offer you a beer because I think that you know deep down, You belong with us down heeeeeeere~
So nice to be appreciated!
It's no secret Murderface gets the short-end of the stick. It's an easy way in to corrupt a person, to give them a bit of power and fame and everything they think they want and crave, but you know what they say: be careful what you wish for. (The audience ams a fickles mistress?)
I think my prediction is that Salacia's control takes hold with Murderface's "rise to power" and him indulging in feeling better than the rest of the band for once. This would likely lead to an attempt to thwart, or at least become more of a power/influence than Dethklok (hey, that's a good problem to have!), and if Salacia is behind that influence, well... you see where this is going. After all, think of all the Six Degrees of Fighting Dethklok the Tribunal has already done, and CFO's counterattacks, with media suppression and close observation and secret missions and the like. It only makes sense that there is no BIG EPIC BATTLE until all other options have been exhausted.
I really do wonder how much of the stuff I've picked up on is intentional. Because if it is, Maestro is a goddamn genius. (Even more than is already apparent from the show at face-value.) There isn't a second more to the bigger story than there needs to be, and there are breadcrumbs scattered all the way back into the first season. Brilliant~
But hey! We'll see! Until then, I'm having a ball trying to figure it all out and scheme. And yeah, yeah, absolutely! Like I said, I've never really focused on Murderface, so if you've got some insights to share, let's hear 'em!
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Post by ThatBrutalGuy on Oct 13, 2015 4:52:10 GMT
Dude, you totally get what shipping is all about! Just hearing eachother out and chit chatting. We all just wanna have a connection to these characters. I definitely feel way more of a connection to men we (the fans) can assume are gay than most characters who are canonically gay (there are a few exceptions though, which rules). The media has a tendency to be kinda lazy with queer characters, for the most part. And hell! I can't think of any characters who are transgender. So, lets just keep believing Pickles is one badass depiction of a transman. On a personal note, all my friends are metal heads and always have been. Most were pretty chill with my transition, but some of my older friends took some time. At shows, the only people who seem to have a problem with my gender/sexual orientation (I'm never sure what their problem is. Am I not passing or am I passing so well that the fact I'm hanging off another dude upset them? Eh, screw them) are older guys. Guys old enough to be my father. Everyone else minds their own damn business. And that's metal! *guitar riff* hahah! It's great to see all this postive change happening in our community holy shit. I have never heard the Pickles Trans theory and I am so fcking behind it I can't even handle that shit. As a chubby trans ginger, literally every FUCKING thing about that headcanon resonates with me. Honestly, he reminds me sooooo much of how I relate to my fuckin trash bag family, it's like. Wow, another awesome way to connect with him. He's my favorite in the band aside from Nathan, and so.... I dunno. There is something intensely personal and exciting about hearing other people talk about trans!Headcanons, and looking back on how Pickles relates to his family, and how they treat him, I can 100% see how his gender would create a rift between all of them and just..,,, Wow. It fuckin. This makes me so happy to hear about. Can someone give me more info on this theory because holy FUCKING shit I'm. So interested my heart is actually beating. (Also? Good to see other trans people here!! Haha, it's hard to come out but goddamn is it a relief. BLOWS U ALL HELLA KISSES LMAOOO)
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Post by lumineaux on Oct 13, 2015 4:58:12 GMT
Well let me just... (Also, yes... YEEEEESSSSSSSSSS. Trans!genderfucked metalheads FTW!)
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